Transportation songs

[Andy MacAskill]

Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about such a
list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy Award-Winning Music
From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack Anthology"
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."

I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
passenger, e.g. the Wells Fargo wagon) would be in order. Hence, for now:

"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);

"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day You
Can See Forever" (ship);

the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);

"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);

"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);

"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with fringe
on top);

"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).

Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?

And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?

I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

[Sarah Thiboutot]

Post by Andy MacAskill
Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about such a
list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy Award-Winning Music
From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack Anthology"
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_
b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);
"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day You
Can See Forever" (ship);
the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);
"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);
"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);
"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with fringe
on top);
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

"Let's go Flying" from THE WILL ROGERS FOLLIES for planes. Also "The
Big Time" is about travelling, mostly by train.

[Harlett O'Dowd]

Post by Sarah Thiboutot
"Let's go Flying" from THE WILL ROGERS FOLLIES for planes. Also "The
Big Time" is about travelling, mostly by train.

"We're Almost There" from THE GRAND TOUR is about trains as is just
about everything from ON THE TWENTIETH CENTURY.

And Irving Berlin's "When That Midnight Choo-Choo Leaves for Alabam"
and GEORGE M's "All Aboard For Broadway"

If you include vaudeville - "Get Out and Get Under" and "In My Merry
Oldsmobile" among others for cars.

"I'm Flying" from PETER PAN if you want to stretch a point...

[robert armstrong]

My Ship from Lady in the Dark

Come Back to Me (you name it) from On a Clear Day

Night They Invented Champagne from Gigi ("...fly to the sky on
champagne...")

Get Me to the Church on Time from, uh...("Stamp me and mail me")

Greased Lightning from Grease (whether or not the car actually moves)

Fugue for Tinhorns (horses) from Guys and Dolls

Cotton Blossom (boat) from Show Boat

Louisiana Hayride from Flying Colors, movie Bandwagon

I Love Louisa (merry-go-round) from The Bandwagon

Pirate Jenny (ship) from Threepenny Opera

Bob A

"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[Christopher Jahn]

Post by robert armstrong
Greased Lightning from Grease (whether or not the car actually
moves)

BROTHER TRUCKER from Working.

LOVIN' AL, also from Working, is about PARKING cars.

[PTravel]

Post by Andy MacAskill
Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about such a
list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy Award-Winning Music
From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack Anthology"
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);
"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day You Can
See Forever" (ship);
the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);
"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);
"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);
"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with fringe on
top);
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

On the Twentieth Century from On the Twentieth Century (train)

There must be something from Titanic (boat)

I don't recall the name, but the song about the Model T in Ragtime

[Mark Cipra]

Post by PTravel

Post by Andy MacAskill
Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about
such a list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy
Award-Winning Music From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack
Anthology"

(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bb
s_b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),

Post by PTravel

Post by Andy MacAskill
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);
"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day
You Can See Forever" (ship);
the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);
"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);
"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);
"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with
fringe on top);
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is
that a lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from
a musical?
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

On the Twentieth Century from On the Twentieth Century (train)
There must be something from Titanic (boat)
I don't recall the name, but the song about the Model T in Ragtime

"Wheels of a Dream"

--
Mark Cipra
"Pile it high, sell it cheap" - Sir Jack Cohen (grocery store
pioneer/magnate)

Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.

[PTravel]

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by PTravel

Post by Andy MacAskill
Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about
such a list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy
Award-Winning Music From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack
Anthology"

(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bb
s_b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),

Post by PTravel

Post by Andy MacAskill
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);
"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day
You Can See Forever" (ship);
the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);
"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);
"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);
"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with
fringe on top);
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is
that a lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from
a musical?
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

On the Twentieth Century from On the Twentieth Century (train)
There must be something from Titanic (boat)
I don't recall the name, but the song about the Model T in Ragtime

"Wheels of a Dream"

That's another one, but I was thinking of the one that segues from Henry
Ford singing about automobile production lines to Coalhouse deciding to buy
the Model T to impress Sara. I can hear it in my head (of course), but I
just can't put my finger on the title.

Post by Andy MacAskill
--
Mark Cipra
"Pile it high, sell it cheap" - Sir Jack Cohen (grocery store
pioneer/magnate)
Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.

[Harlett O'Dowd]

Post by PTravel
That's another one, but I was thinking of the one that segues from Henry
Ford singing about automobile production lines to Coalhouse deciding to buy
the Model T to impress Sara. I can hear it in my head (of course), but I
just can't put my finger on the title.

The Gettin Ready Rag

[PTravel]

Post by Harlett O'Dowd

Post by PTravel
That's another one, but I was thinking of the one that segues from Henry
Ford singing about automobile production lines to Coalhouse deciding to buy
the Model T to impress Sara. I can hear it in my head (of course), but I
just can't put my finger on the title.

The Gettin Ready Rag

Ah, thank you! It would have driven me crazy all day.

[chromolume]

Post by PTravel

Post by Harlett O'Dowd

Post by PTravel
That's another one, but I was thinking of the one that segues from Henry
Ford singing about automobile production lines to Coalhouse deciding to buy
the Model T to impress Sara. I can hear it in my head (of course), but I
just can't put my finger on the title.

The Gettin Ready Rag

Ah, thank you! It would have driven me crazy all day.

Actually, not quite. "Gettin' Ready Rag" leads into the number in
question, featuring Henry Ford and the assembly line, appropriately
titled "Henry Ford."

To clarify - at the end of "Gettin' Ready Rag" Coalhouse does say he
intends to buy a Model T. But he doesn't buy it until the end of "Henry
Ford," with his last line, "I'm ready, Lord!"

Also from Ragtime - "Journey On," with Father and Tateh (with Little
Girl) on "two ships passing" - and "Atlantic City," where a train is
the mentioned mode of transportation.

[Harlett O'Dowd]

Post by PTravel
That's another one, but I was thinking of the one that segues from Henry
Ford singing about automobile production lines to Coalhouse deciding to buy
the Model T to impress Sara. I can hear it in my head (of course), but I
just can't put my finger on the title.

speaking of Henry Ford - TMM's "Rock Island" - trains AND cars

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Harlett O'Dowd

Post by PTravel
That's another one, but I was thinking of the one that segues from Henry
Ford singing about automobile production lines to Coalhouse deciding to buy
the Model T to impress Sara. I can hear it in my head (of course), but I
just can't put my finger on the title.

speaking of Henry Ford - TMM's "Rock Island" - trains AND cars

Ah, yes, of course.

But I am disappointed. No one in this most erudite of newsgroups
(snicker, snicker) came up with a song from a musical about a surrey
WITHOUT fringe on top?

And surely a piece for a musical must have been written celebrating the
"doozie." If not, I offer this assignment to Mr. Katz: Write a period
musical celebration of my favorite car, the Dusenberg.

Ah, and I just remembered something else, a minor thing really: Who here
has heard of the hupmobile? (A picture of one used to appear on, IIRC,
the twenty-dollar bill.) In "Mame" appears a sort of sung musical bridge
in, I think, "Open a New Window" that makes reference to such car.

[Newport]

"There's Nothin' Like a Model T"
from HIGH BUTTON SHOES.

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Post by Andy MacAskill
Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about such a
list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy Award-Winning Music
From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack Anthology"
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);
"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day You
Can See Forever" (ship);
the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);
"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);
"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);
"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with fringe
on top);
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

"If I Had a Fine White Horse" from The Secret Garden

[Eagle]

Post by Andy MacAskill
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily

Years ago I made up a whole series of cassette tapes (remember those?)
with different themes -- my potpourri tapes -- that I used to love to
listen to. Most selections were from musicals, but a few pop things
were thrown in. Two of my tapes kind of fit the bill here, so below is
the listing of selections from those tapes:

CHOO CHOO POTPOURRI

1. On the Twentieth Century Overture
2. Rock Island
3. This Train (Peter, Paul & Mary)
4. On the Twentieth Century
5. I'm Late for My Train (Trouble in Tahiti)
6. Miss Turnstiles Ballet
7. A Poem on the Underground Wall (Paul Simon)
8. Subway Directions: Ride Through the Night
9. Together (Twentieth Century)
10. On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe
11. Put on Your Sunday Clothes
12. On the Other Side of the Tracks
13. We're Almost There
14. Mornin' Train (Peter, Paul & Mary)
15. Chattenoogah Choo Choo
16. Train Sound Effect
17. Freight Train (Peter, Paul & Mary)
18. She's a Nut
19. You're on the Right Track
20. When the Midnight Choo Choo Leaves for Alabam
21. Choo Choo Honeymoon
22. Everybody Loves the Sound of a Train in the Distance (Paul Simon)
23. Train Go Now to Johannesberg
24. Peace Train (Cat Stevens)
25. 500 Miles (Peter, Paul & Mary)
26. Mira
27. Subways Are For Sleeping
28. On the Commuter Train (The Roaches)
29. The Little Train that Caught a Cold (from a baby record called "Be
a Train")
30. One After 909 (Beatles)
31. Waitin' For the Evening Train
32. Life Is Like a Train
33. On the Twentieth Century (reprise)


TRAVELING POTPOURRI

1. Paint Your Wagon
2. Travelin' Prayer (Billy Joel)
3. Gotta Move (Color Me Barbra)
4. Wherever He Ain't
5. There's Gotta Be Something Better Than This
6. Get While the Going Is Good
7. Restless Heart
8. Sentimental Journey
9. Into the Woods
10. Ease on Down the Road
11. Follow the Yellow Brick Road
12. I Will Follow You
13. Eldorado
14. We're On Our Way (Very Good, Eddie)
15. I'm on My Way (Porgy and Bess)
16. Early in the Morning (Peter Paul & Mary)
17. Go Your Own Way (Fleetwood Mac)
18. Together Wherever We Go
19. Movin' Out (Billy Joel)
20. Let's Step Out
21. Steppin' Out (Joe Jackson)
22. Holiday Inn
23. Day Tripper (Beatles)
24. Another Suitcase in Another Hall
25. Theme From Mahogany (Do You Know Where You're Going To)
26. Where Am I Going? (Sweet Charity)
27. Where Are You Going? (Godspell)
28. Move On
29. Me and Julio (Paul Simon)
30. Travelin' Light
31. Look No Further

[PTravel]

"Eagle" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...

Ah, your list reminded me of another show:

Starlight Express

There must be a dozen or more specifically-about-trains songs in that.

[chromolume]

Eagle, that's quite a list!! :-)

More contributions:

"Travel" from Starting Here, Starting Now (mentioning a myriad of modes
and methods of transportation) along with the same show's "A New Life
Coming" (which is full of train metaphors).

"Sailing" and "Sitting Becalmed On The Lee of Cuttyhunk" from A New
Brain (ships, obviously)

The emotional and exhilirating "14 Dwight Ave., Natick, Massachusetts"
from Elegies features a car ride.

A few from On The Town that didn't seem to make it on the list - "Come
Up To My Place" takes place during a stop-and-start taxi ride
(eventually to her place indeed), and one of the choruses of "Carried
Away" is about train travel. Also, though it's not part of the lyric of
the song itself, "Some Other Time" is sung on a subway car heading to
Coney Island.

"Mercury" from Forever Plaid (the car commercial sung as a prelude to
the Ed Sullivan Show sequence).

Walking is a meaningful mode of transportation in The Light In The
Piazza, with the songs "Passegiata" and "Let's Walk."

And of course there's the singing Bus in Caroline Or Change...:-)

[Katerin]

Post by Eagle
CHOO CHOO POTPOURRI

<snip>

Don't forget "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" by Gordon Lightfoot.

--Kathy Fitz

[chromolume]

Post by Andy MacAskill
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).

Along with its wonderful counterpart (and counterpoint) song, "No Cure
Like Travel," which was inexplicably cut from the off-Broadway revival
in 1962. (Actually, what that version did to Porter's score, and
lyrics, is inexplicable. At least most of the original musical material
made it back into the 1987 version.)

Post by Andy MacAskill
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?

You must be thinking of the Act II opener, "Public Enemy Number One,"
which mentions "the Liner American" (though this lyric is different in
the "Complete Lyrics of Cole Porter" book; however, the "Liner
American" lyric is in the original 1934 score).

Post by Andy MacAskill
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?

I don't think it was. BUT - I do know of a children's musical called
"Earthlings" which features a quite different song also called "Lucky
Lindy." (The show is billed as "The Ecological Musical For Children,"
and I remember the song in question had something to do with Lindy
having to fly through today's polluted skies. I saw it over 20 years
ago, so I don't have much more info than that, lol)

Post by Andy MacAskill
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

True - but don't forget the show's "How Can Love Survive" which makes
mention of Mercedes-es. :-) (And of course, "fa" - a long, long way to
run. LOL)

[Harlett O'Dowd]

Post by chromolume

Post by Andy MacAskill
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?

I don't think it was.

You may be thinking of "Lovebird" from STEEL PIER.

The score also contains:

"Willing to Ride" (amusements)
"Leave the World Behind" and "First You Dream" (both flying)

OR

the title tune from LUCKY LADY, which, IIRC is *also* a Kander & Ebb
song.

[chromolume]

Post by chromolume

Post by Andy MacAskill
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?

I don't think it was.

Actually, chromolume didn't write that - Andy McAskill did (and I was
responding to him)...but no big deal. :-)

Meanwhile - can it be that no one has yet mentioned "Another Hundred
People" (just got off of the train, and the plane, and the bus...) :-)

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by chromolume

Post by Andy MacAskill
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).

Along with its wonderful counterpart (and counterpoint) song, "No Cure
Like Travel," which was inexplicably cut from the off-Broadway revival
in 1962. (Actually, what that version did to Porter's score, and
lyrics, is inexplicable. At least most of the original musical material
made it back into the 1987 version.)

Post by Andy MacAskill
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?

You must be thinking of the Act II opener, "Public Enemy Number One,"
which mentions "the Liner American" (though this lyric is different in
the "Complete Lyrics of Cole Porter" book; however, the "Liner
American" lyric is in the original 1934 score).

That's the one. "Public Enemy Number One." I did the show in 2002, but
just couldn't remember the name of the piece. Thanks.

[Newport]

I just watched the Merman, Sinatra, Lahr, Sheree North TV version of
ANYTHING GOES. Not very faithful, but Merman is fabulous in every way.

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I'd like to see that--especially Sheree North a.k.a. Babs Kramer (of more recent, Seinfeld fame).

Post by Newport
I just watched the Merman, Sinatra, Lahr, Sheree North TV version of
ANYTHING GOES. Not very faithful, but Merman is fabulous in every way.

[Muggins]

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:02:13 GMT, Andy MacAskill

Post by Andy MacAskill
Maybe you've all done this already, but I got to wondering about such a
list while listening to a CD this morning, "Academy Award-Winning Music
From MGM Classics: Motion Picture Soundtrack Anthology"
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033Z5/qid=1152192418/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6706023-6182316?s=music&v=glance&n=5174),
with the catchy "On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe."
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily
"On The Atchison, Topeka And The Santa Fe" from "The Harvey Girls" (trains);
"On the S.S. Bernard Cohn" (I love this one) from "On a Clear Day You
Can See Forever" (ship);
the title song from "Paint Your Wagon" (covered wagon);
"The Wells Fargo Wagon" from "The Music Man" (Wells Fargo wagon);
"The Trolley Song" from "Meet Me in St. Louis" (trolley car);
"The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from "Oklahoma! (surrey with fringe
on top);
"Bon Voyage" from "Anything Goes" (ship).
Re the last wasn't there also a song called "S.S. America," or is that a
lyric within "Bon Voyage" or some other song from the show?
And whose got a song about plane(s)? Was the song "Lucky Lindy" from a
musical?
I shudder to include "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" from TSOM (foot).

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"There's a Boat that's leavin' soon for New York", P&B
"Children of the Wind", Rags
"Journey On" and "Wheels of a Dream", Ragtime

Larry
"Forget it Jake.....it's Chinatown"

[robert armstrong]

Waitin' for the Evening Train from Jennie. 82 performances: not much of
a "track" record.

Faster Than Sound (ghostly powers) from High Spirits

I'll Build a Stairway to Paradise from George White's Scandals of 1922.
Co-lyricist Arthur Francis (with B G de Sylva) was actually -- Ira
Gershwin!

Bob A

"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[Katerin]

Post by Andy MacAskill
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily

How about "Defying Gravity" from Wicked (broomstick!)?

--Kathy Fitz, a newcomer to the list but not to theatre

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Katerin

Post by Andy MacAskill
I think song, musical, and mode of transportation (not necessarily

How about "Defying Gravity" from Wicked (broomstick!)?
--Kathy Fitz, a newcomer to the list but not to theatre

Beats Mr. Armstrong's merry-go-round in "I Love Louisa" from "The
Bandwagon." ("Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the
play?" Cracks me up everytime.) The carousel in "The Carousel Waltz"
from "Carousel" would then qualify.

And beats also my own suggestion of the Von Trapps hiking over some
mountain to get from Austria to Switzerland (some geographical problem
here, IIRC, the real Maria at some point decrying, "Didn't someone look
at a map?!").

So welcome to ratm. Avoid the political clap-trap in the group (unless
it's a rare one from me), and you're sure to find your stay enjoyable.

[Eagle]

I realized I had yet another travel potpourri tape:

1. Travel
2. Can't Run But (Paul Simon)
3. The Surrey With the Fringe on Top
4. The Trolley Song
5. Bicycle Song
6. I'm in Love With My Car (Queen)
7. Devil in My Car (B-52s)
8. In My Merry Oldsmobile
9. Baby You Can Drive My Car (Beatles)
10. Baby Driver (Simon & Garfunkel)
11. Cars (Gary Numan)
12. Cars are Cars (Paul Simon)
13. You Can't Miss It
14. Do You Know the Way to San Jose (Bachrach)
15. 99 Miles From LA (Garfunkel)
16. Mother Trucker
17. Two Lost Souls
18. Seventy Seven Sunset Strip
19. Merrily We Roll Along
20. What a Country
21. America (Simon & Garfunkel)
22. The Bus From Amarilla
23. On a Lopsided Bus
24. Another One Rides the Bus (Queen)
25. Come A-Wanderin' With Me
26. Never Will I Marry
27. I Wonder As I Wander (Streisand Christmas Album)
28. A Wanderin' Star
29. A Wandering Minstrel I
30. Johnny's Song
31. Anywhere I Wander
32. Take Me Along
33. We Go Together

Also, I started but did not complete a flying potpourri tape:

I'm Flying
Superman
Be Like the Bluebird
Little Bird Little Bird
Bye, Bye Birdie
What Do We Do, We Fly
Barcelona
Flying (The Little Prince)

[robert armstrong]

Post by Andy MacAskill
Beats Mr. Armstrong's merry-go-round in "I Love
Louisa" from "The Bandwagon."

I include that because the staging of the Broadway revue had the
performers on a merry-go-round, so in that case the entire song was
about a merry-go-round. Transportation? I guess it is. See below.

Post by Andy MacAskill
The carousel in "The Carousel Waltz" from "Carousel"
would then qualify.

If you count instrumentals, then it makes an interesting point. Remember
how ominously the Waltz reappears in the ballet sequence. The carousel
had disappeared from the story since its first scene, yet returns here
to show that the family's problems had all come 'round again sixteen
years later.

I think the circular motion of the carousel is also a Shakespearean
reference to a woman. As, some believe, the O in Hamlet's Ophelia
represents her voicelessness in the Danish court's social and political
structure, and her inability to affect change, except by expressing that
nothingness in insanity and death, conditions which certainly do get the
play moving again after ten months of inaction on Ham's part (only one
of many theories, however). Another example would be Imogen (in the play
Cymbeline), who is wronged when a bracelet (circle) stolen from her
bedroom is used as evidence to compromise her sexually. She responds by
absenting herself and appearing dead until everyone's good and sorry. In
the meantime her "death" of silence leads to the discovery of her two
missing brothers, also presumed dead, who are therefore brought back
from death with her.

Julie in Carousel/Liliom appears, similarly, to be helpless and
voiceless. I like that comment at the end of the "bench scene" where she
says the blossoms are falling because it's "just their time." Julie
seldom speaks against Billy's lifestyle or else she gets smacked
offstage (He hits her, y'know), yet that helplessnes shames Billy and
reminds him of his own inability to affect change -- threatens him with
a realization of a feminine side to his own identity (similar to a
theory about Hamlet's cruelty toward Ophelia). Ultimately Julie's
helplessness is what does affect a redirection of the plot when she
becomes pregnant, expressing that voicelessness through the womb, the
part of a woman which the circle supposedly represents.

So, well, yeah, the carousel is an important symbol of motion and
action, even though placed against the irony that the characters are not
moving, or else are returning to where they started.

Definitely one for my "I think I'm reading too much into this" file.

Bob A

"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[Judy]

Post by robert armstrong

Post by Andy MacAskill
Beats Mr. Armstrong's merry-go-round in "I Love
Louisa" from "The Bandwagon."

I include that because the staging of the Broadway revue had the
performers on a merry-go-round, so in that case the entire song was
about a merry-go-round. Transportation? I guess it is. See below.

Post by Andy MacAskill
The carousel in "The Carousel Waltz" from "Carousel"
would then qualify.

If you count instrumentals, then it makes an interesting point. Remember
how ominously the Waltz reappears in the ballet sequence. The carousel
had disappeared from the story since its first scene, yet returns here
to show that the family's problems had all come 'round again sixteen
years later.
I think the circular motion of the carousel is also a Shakespearean
reference to a woman. As, some believe, the O in Hamlet's Ophelia
represents her voicelessness in the Danish court's social and political
structure, and her inability to affect change, except by expressing that
nothingness in insanity and death, conditions which certainly do get the
play moving again after ten months of inaction on Ham's part (only one
of many theories, however). Another example would be Imogen (in the play
Cymbeline), who is wronged when a bracelet (circle) stolen from her
bedroom is used as evidence to compromise her sexually. She responds by
absenting herself and appearing dead until everyone's good and sorry. In
the meantime her "death" of silence leads to the discovery of her two
missing brothers, also presumed dead, who are therefore brought back
from death with her.
Julie in Carousel/Liliom appears, similarly, to be helpless and
voiceless. I like that comment at the end of the "bench scene" where she
says the blossoms are falling because it's "just their time." Julie
seldom speaks against Billy's lifestyle or else she gets smacked
offstage (He hits her, y'know), yet that helplessnes shames Billy and
reminds him of his own inability to affect change -- threatens him with
a realization of a feminine side to his own identity (similar to a
theory about Hamlet's cruelty toward Ophelia). Ultimately Julie's
helplessness is what does affect a redirection of the plot when she
becomes pregnant, expressing that voicelessness through the womb, the
part of a woman which the circle supposedly represents.
So, well, yeah, the carousel is an important symbol of motion and
action, even though placed against the irony that the characters are not
moving, or else are returning to where they started.
Definitely one for my "I think I'm reading too much into this" file.
Bob A
"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the
vehicle would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

[Andy MacAskill]

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.

Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine is
related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother with
former name Ogilvy.

Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding to
bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend says
she injured her hands in so applauding.

[Newport]

From: ***@NOSPAMoptonline.net (Andy=A0MacAskill) Did you see that
recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite some cinematic
liberties taken, it was worthwhile.
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Andy MacAskill wrote:
friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version

Post by Andy MacAskill
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding to
bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend says
she injured her hands in so applauding.

Reminds me of the Durang monologue (from "Dentity Crisis") about the
unsuccessful applause resuscitation.

I saw a pretty good play last fall, The Lost Boy, about James M.
Barrie's personal demons.

A musical about an odd form of transportation is "Flight of the
Lawnchair Man" - which was the best third of 3hree and is coming soon
to NYMF.

A pop hit from a songwriter who currently has a Broadway show running,
"Get Here," always amuses me with the sheer number of forms of
transportation it mentions.

I love Bock & Harnick's song Look Where I Am, which involves travel by
moonbeam.

Has Craig Carnelia's rhapsodic Flight been mentioned yet?



http://www.paradise-green.co.uk/festival2006/whats-on/brochure/details/742/cache/b2e1161636.html

[Andy MacAskill]

See what I mean? I don't know these shows. (Tho', of course, I do recognize the names Harnick & Bock.)

Post by Andy MacAskill
friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version

Post by Andy MacAskill
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding to
bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend says
she injured her hands in so applauding.

Reminds me of the Durang monologue (from "Dentity Crisis") about the
unsuccessful applause resuscitation.
I saw a pretty good play last fall, The Lost Boy, about James M.
Barrie's personal demons.
A musical about an odd form of transportation is "Flight of the
Lawnchair Man" - which was the best third of 3hree and is coming soon
to NYMF.
A pop hit from a songwriter who currently has a Broadway show running,
"Get Here," always amuses me with the sheer number of forms of
transportation it mentions.
I love Bock & Harnick's song Look Where I Am, which involves travel by
moonbeam.
Has Craig Carnelia's rhapsodic Flight been mentioned yet?
http://www.paradise-green.co.uk/festival2006/whats-on/brochure/details/742/cache/b2e1161636.html

[robert armstrong]

Post by Andy MacAskill
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about
James Barrie? Despite some cinematic liberties
taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine is related
to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his
mother with former name Ogilvy.

Some provocative fantasy sequences, as the advertising emphasized, but
mostly talk talk talk on gloomy and morbidly depressed topics.

Then the historical inaccuracies are glaring, if you consider how
well-known the history of the play Peter Pan is. It shows PP premiering
in a big downtown theatre; in fact it premiered at the Children's
Hospital (as is stated at the beginning of the play's reading editions).

Then there's the deployment of a "They said it couldn't be done"
formula, in this case that people, including the producer, were
predicting failure because Barrie couldn't explain to them what the
concept of the play was; in fact PP was the sequel to a successful
illustrated book that had been published a few years earlier. Everybody
in that theatre must have known who Peter Pan was. Then again, the lone
idea that the producer never sees the show until opening night renders
this portion of the film patently ridiculous.

Also the Peter Pan "drag" in those days would have been (to the best of
the costumer's ability) a concoction of cobwebs and dead leaves spun
together, not the efficient, slightly more masculine Robin Hood-type
costume identified with later productions.

The biggest liberty is probably that the film rewrites history to say
that it's Barrie's relationship with the __mother__ of the boys, access
to whom he, uh, acquired after their parents' deaths, that threatens a
possible scandal; I admit that that peccadillo made the film easier to
watch than it might have been otherwise -- but why did the filmmakers
choose this story to tell if they didn't want to tell it?

Bob A

"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[Judy]

Post by Andy MacAskill

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine is
related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother with
former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding to
bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend says
she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as
Peter. In the script, Tink is dying because people don't
believe in fairies. Peter turns to the audience and
beseeches it to please applaud so Tink will know people
still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light) begins
to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all
over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!

Tink, by the way, is Tinkerbell - Peter's personal, you
should excuse the expression, fairy.

[Newport]

Buddy Hackett does a little spoof of the Tink line in his opening
monologue of I HAD A BALL.

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how soon we forget
(more like want to forget!!)

CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG

and also by the Sherman Bros.
"Let's Go Fly a Kite"

from Disney's Mary Poppins
opening at The New Amsterdam Theatre
this Fall

[Andy MacAskill]

I recall kites being used as, hmm, sort of "transportation" in a movie whose title would never fit on today's marquees: "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines." I should find me a copy and rewatch that one. Roger Miller wrote the title song. And he wrote the music for the Huck Finn musical, "Big River" too, didn't he? Must be some transportation in that one: A raft, at least?

Post by BADDONIS
how soon we forget
(more like want to forget!!)
CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG
and also by the Sherman Bros.
"Let's Go Fly a Kite"
from Disney's Mary Poppins
opening at The New Amsterdam Theatre
this Fall

[Mark Cipra]

Post by Judy

Post by Andy MacAskill

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine
is related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother
with former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience
applauding to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some
such. My friend says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as
Peter. In the script, Tink is dying because people don't
believe in fairies. Peter turns to the audience and
beseeches it to please applaud so Tink will know people
still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light) begins
to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all
over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!
Tink, by the way, is Tinkerbell - Peter's personal, you
should excuse the expression, fairy.

I was in the non-musical (Royal Shakespeare) version a couple years ago, and
the director was agonizing over whether or not the audience would applaud.
Trust me, unless your Peter (or your production) is a complete loser, it's a
scene that never misses.

--
Mark Cipra
"The letter of a century ago has still a certain literary value.
Nowadays we only 'correspond' or we 'beg to state'. It still remains
for our children to discard the forms of polite address which have come
down to us. The letter of the future will be a colorless communication
of telegraphic brevity." - Scientific American, July, 1903

Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.

[Andy MacAskill]

Well, that puts a smile on my face. You'd think kids would be too jaded by today's TV and movies to really get into some "old-fashioned" entertainment.

About 13 years ago I was offering to take my then-girlfriend's under-age-ten nephews to the movies, their choice (some mistake!), and found myself begging that they choose Disney's "Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs" (then in re-release). (They seemed well familiar with the non-kids movies then out.) Ultimately, I decided the issue in Abe Lincoln fashion ("That's ten ayes and one nay. The nays have it.") and we did Disney that night.

Post by Mark Cipra

Post by Judy

Post by Andy MacAskill

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine
is related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother
with former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience
applauding to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some
such. My friend says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as
Peter. In the script, Tink is dying because people don't
believe in fairies. Peter turns to the audience and
beseeches it to please applaud so Tink will know people
still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light) begins
to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all
over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!
Tink, by the way, is Tinkerbell - Peter's personal, you
should excuse the expression, fairy.

I was in the non-musical (Royal Shakespeare) version a couple years ago, and
the director was agonizing over whether or not the audience would applaud.
Trust me, unless your Peter (or your production) is a complete loser, it's a
scene that never misses.

[Mark Cipra]

Post by Andy MacAskill
Well, that puts a smile on my face. You'd think kids would be too
jaded by today's TV and movies to really get into some
"old-fashioned" entertainment.
About 13 years ago I was offering to take my then-girlfriend's
under-age-ten nephews to the movies, their choice (some mistake!),
and found myself begging that they choose Disney's "Snow White & the
Seven Dwarfs" (then in re-release). (They seemed well familiar with
the non-kids movies then out.) Ultimately, I decided the issue in Abe
Lincoln fashion ("That's ten ayes and one nay. The nays have it.")
and we did Disney that night.

So did they ... tolerate it?

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Mark Cipra

Post by Judy

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Judy
Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the
vehicle would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie?
Despite some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A
friend of mine is related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of,
IIRC, his mother with former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name
was; Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience
applauding to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some
such. My friend says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as
Peter. In the script, Tink is dying because people don't
believe in fairies. Peter turns to the audience and
beseeches it to please applaud so Tink will know people
still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light) begins
to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all
over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!
Tink, by the way, is Tinkerbell - Peter's personal, you
should excuse the expression, fairy.

I was in the non-musical (Royal Shakespeare) version a couple years
ago, and the director was agonizing over whether or not the audience
would applaud. Trust me, unless your Peter (or your production) is a
complete loser, it's a scene that never misses.

--
Mark Cipra
"The letter of a century ago has still a certain literary value.
Nowadays we only 'correspond' or we 'beg to state'. It still remains
for our children to discard the forms of polite address which have come
down to us. The letter of the future will be a colorless communication
of telegraphic brevity." - Scientific American, July, 1903

Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Mark Cipra

Post by Andy MacAskill
Well, that puts a smile on my face. You'd think kids would be too
jaded by today's TV and movies to really get into some
"old-fashioned" entertainment.
About 13 years ago I was offering to take my then-girlfriend's
under-age-ten nephews to the movies, their choice (some mistake!),
and found myself begging that they choose Disney's "Snow White & the
Seven Dwarfs" (then in re-release). (They seemed well familiar with
the non-kids movies then out.) Ultimately, I decided the issue in Abe
Lincoln fashion ("That's ten ayes and one nay. The nays have it.")
and we did Disney that night.

So did they ... tolerate it?

Yes, and the one who was notorious for being, as I characterized him (tho' certainly not to his face), the "Child from Hell" told me afterwards that I was right, the dwarfs were hilarious.

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Andy MacAskill

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.

And actually I was going to offer "I Can Fly" as the name of the song,
but that's the Disney version, no?

Speaking of Disney, the title vehicle in the title song of the Disney
movie "The Gnome-Mobile" ("with the Mary Poppins kids!") was another
favorite classic car: a Rolls-Royce. I don't recall that this movie was
a musical, however.

And I don't know that yet mentioned is another title vehicle from
another title song: CCBB, which, of course, IS a musical.

Post by Andy MacAskill
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine is
related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother with
former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding
to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend
says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as Peter. In
the script, Tink is dying because people don't believe in fairies.
Peter turns to the audience and beseeches it to please applaud so Tink
will know people still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light)
begins to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all over
the place. Whew! Tink is saved!

So that probably was in--dare I guess?--the 70's? And they were still
executing the spot-of-light thing that recently? "Low-tech," as the kids
might say.

That wasn't the musical version, was it?

[Mark Cipra]

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Judy
Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the
vehicle would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.

And actually I was going to offer "I Can Fly" as the name of the song,
but that's the Disney version, no?
Speaking of Disney, the title vehicle in the title song of the Disney
movie "The Gnome-Mobile" ("with the Mary Poppins kids!") was another
favorite classic car: a Rolls-Royce. I don't recall that this movie
was a musical, however.
And I don't know that yet mentioned is another title vehicle from
another title song: CCBB, which, of course, IS a musical.

Post by Andy MacAskill
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie?
Despite some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend
of mine is related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC,
his mother with former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience
applauding to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some
such. My friend says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as Peter.
In the script, Tink is dying because people don't believe in fairies.
Peter turns to the audience and beseeches it to please applaud so
Tink will know people still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of
light) begins to move a little and then a little more and then
bounces all over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!

So that probably was in--dare I guess?--the 70's? And they were still
executing the spot-of-light thing that recently? "Low-tech," as the
kids might say.

The light itself may be higher-tech than it used to be, and sometimes there
are "specials" in jars, etc., but that's still the way it's usually done, I
think.

(In our production Tink was at first a disembodied live voice; in later
scenes the terrific actor-dancer who did the voice actually appeared on
stage, but I think that's very much the exception.)

Post by Andy MacAskill
That wasn't the musical version, was it?

--
Mark Cipra
"The letter of a century ago has still a certain literary value.
Nowadays we only 'correspond' or we 'beg to state'. It still remains
for our children to discard the forms of polite address which have come
down to us. The letter of the future will be a colorless communication
of telegraphic brevity." - Scientific American, July, 1903

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[Newport]

I'm all for Tink being played by a hot, young, scantily-clad dancer.

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Stephen> I'm all for Tink being played by a hot, young, scantily-clad
Stephen> dancer.

Actually, I'm sure your for the hot, young scantily-clad dancer even
if she weren't playing Tink BFS.

Victor

[Newport]

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Actually, I'm sure you're for the hot, young scantily-clad dancer even
if she weren't playing Tink. BFS.
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Note that I didn't say in the original post what sex that dancer was ...

But she was all of that.

--
Mark Cipra
"The letter of a century ago has still a certain literary value.
Nowadays we only 'correspond' or we 'beg to state'. It still remains
for our children to discard the forms of polite address which have come
down to us. The letter of the future will be a colorless communication
of telegraphic brevity." - Scientific American, July, 1903

Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.

[Andy MacAskill]

LOL

Leave it to Mr. N for the occasional pertinent zinger.

So would Disney's Tinkerbell be your favorite feminine cartoon character?

I was always somewhat partial to Blondie in the funnies. Also Lois from Hi & Lois. And, of course, who doesn't prefer Betty to Veronica in "Archie"?

Okay, I got one for you: Comics musicals.

There was "Li'l' Abner," of course (by those guys who also did the far superior "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers").

There was "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown."

And there was "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!"

What others?

Post by Newport
I'm all for Tink being played by a hot, young, scantily-clad dancer.

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Post by Andy MacAskill
LOL
Leave it to Mr. N for the occasional pertinent zinger.
So would Disney's Tinkerbell be your favorite feminine cartoon character?
I was always somewhat partial to Blondie in the funnies. Also Lois from Hi & Lois. And, of course, who doesn't prefer Betty to Veronica in "Archie"?
Okay, I got one for you: Comics musicals.
There was "Li'l' Abner," of course (by those guys who also did the far superior "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers").
There was "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown."
And there was "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!"
What others?

There was, not too long back, a Betty Boop musical in development with
a score by Andrew Lippa.

As well as "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown", there's "Snoopy!".

Stephen

[Bushwhacker]

Post by Andy MacAskill
LOL
Leave it to Mr. N for the occasional pertinent zinger.
So would Disney's Tinkerbell be your favorite feminine cartoon character?
I was always somewhat partial to Blondie in the funnies. Also Lois from Hi & Lois. And, of course, who doesn't prefer Betty to Veronica in "Archie"?
Okay, I got one for you: Comics musicals.
There was "Li'l' Abner," of course (by those guys who also did the far superior "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers").
There was "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown."
And there was "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!"
What others?

Doonesbury the Musical

[Bill]

Re: Comics musicals --

Whatever happened to the occasionally announced Batman and Spider-Man
musicals?

Bill

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Bill
Re: Comics musicals --
Whatever happened to the occasionally announced Batman and Spider-Man
musicals?

I've heard of plans for neither, but I would be curious to know what was
in mind for Batman: a somewhat campy musical based on the campy (tho'
entertaining) old TV show or a "dark" musical (darkness appearing to be
the latest rage in Batmania)?

[Harlett O'Dowd]

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Bill
Re: Comics musicals --
Whatever happened to the occasionally announced Batman and Spider-Man
musicals?

I've heard of plans for neither, but I would be curious to know what was
in mind for Batman: a somewhat campy musical based on the campy (tho'
entertaining) old TV show or a "dark" musical (darkness appearing to be
the latest rage in Batmania)?

One would assume the latter, but as LESTAT et al have shown us,
gothic/dark/serious is a tough sell for musicals these days. Perhaps
that's why it's MIA.

[Bill]

MacAskill: << . . . darkness appearing to be the latest rage in
Batmania? >>
...........
Only if you consider the past 25 years or so "latest."

Bill

[Newport]

I prefer the fun, campy approach to musicals about superheroes. Like
IT'S....SUPERMAN.

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Post by Newport
I prefer the fun, campy approach to musicals about superheroes. Like
IT'S....SUPERMAN.

As Ms. O'D suggests, I think most would. Musicals generally with a dark
theme are not very saleable.

And since the Batman story does lend itself so well to a dark theme,
Batmaniacs probably won't appreciate a fun, campy musical about their
hero, and it would take some real ingenuity to come up with something
that would work.

Did you ever see performed one of those plays with a Snidely Whiplash
villain, dressed all in black with stovepipe hat and moustache, and the
audience encouraged to boo him every time he enters and the character
reacting and jeering back at them? (Conversely, the handsome hero,
dressed in white, gets cheered every time he enters.) I don't know if
this would work for a Batman play, but when done well those silly things
are rather fun.

[Stephen Farrow]

Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Newport
I prefer the fun, campy approach to musicals about superheroes. Like
IT'S....SUPERMAN.

As Ms. O'D suggests, I think most would. Musicals generally with a dark
theme are not very saleable.

Um... "Les Miserables"? "Miss Saigon"?

[Newport]

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MacAskill: << . . .Batmaniacs probably won't appreciate a fun, campy
musical about their hero >>
................
Please don't use that word.
.................
<< Did you ever see performed one of those plays with a Snidely Whiplash
villain, dressed all in black with stovepipe hat and moustache, and the
audience encouraged to boo him every time he enters and the character
reacting and jeering back at them?
................
Generally called "melodramas."
...............
<< (Conversely, the handsome hero, dressed in white, gets cheered every
time he enters.) I don't know if this would work for a Batman play, but
when done well those silly things are rather fun. >>
................
It would not work. The Batman mythos is operatic. Tim Burton (who will
be directing the Sweeney Todd musical film) almost got it right, in
parts.

Bill

[Stephen Farrow]

Post by Bill
MacAskill: << . . .Batmaniacs probably won't appreciate a fun, campy
musical about their hero >>
................
Please don't use that word.
.................
<< Did you ever see performed one of those plays with a Snidely Whiplash
villain, dressed all in black with stovepipe hat and moustache, and the
audience encouraged to boo him every time he enters and the character
reacting and jeering back at them?
................
Generally called "melodramas."
...............
<< (Conversely, the handsome hero, dressed in white, gets cheered every
time he enters.) I don't know if this would work for a Batman play, but
when done well those silly things are rather fun. >>
................
It would not work. The Batman mythos is operatic. Tim Burton (who will
be directing the Sweeney Todd musical film) almost got it right, in
parts.
Bill

Right. I'm no expert, but it strikes me that there was always a certain
darkness to Batman - fun and campy are not words I'd tend to associate
with a story which begins with the hero losing both parents - and Bruce
Wayne's response to the loss of his parents is certainly
obsessive-compulsive, to say the least. This isn't a character born with
superpowers - this is someone whose psyche was badly damaged by a
massive emotional trauma. The darkness was there from the beginning.

[Bill]

SF: << I'm no expert, but it strikes me that there was always a certain
darkness to Batman - fun and campy are not words I'd tend to associate
with a story which begins with the hero losing both parents - and Bruce
Wayne's response to the loss of his parents is certainly
obsessive-compulsive, to say the least. This isn't a character born with
superpowers - this is someone whose psyche was badly damaged by a
massive emotional trauma. The darkness was there from the beginning. >>
................
Spot on. In fact, in his earliest adventures, he carried a gun, and used
it. Batman shot bad guys!

The silliness started in the late forties, lasting twenty years or so,
until readers (and his writers) grew tired of the puns and nonsense.
Batman has arguably had more good writers than any other comics
character, each building on different aspects of his character, motives,
relationships and settings. It doesn't hurt that he has the best
supporting cast in comics, either; the writers have seen to it that they
are just as important and complex as the Dark Knight. He's become a very
complex, unpredictable vigilante, frequently straddling the line of
good/bad, but always true to his own strict moral code. (This often
bodes ill for his allies, as well as his enemies.)

Batman is the man, Bruce Wayne is the mask. And I really don't want
either of them to sing.

Bill

[Newport]

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not words I'd tend to associate
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And who was your favorite Catwoman: Julie Newmar aka Newmeyer (from "Seven Brides"), Eartha Kitt, or Lee Meriwether? The answer is Julie Newmar.

But who was your favorite Riddler: Frank Gorshin or John Astin? The answer is the late Frank Gorshin, who, I believe I previously indicated, I got to meet following a stellar performance as George Burns in "Say Good Night, Gracie." (And I believe you responded that you had heard he should have got a Tony for that, but you didn't see the show yourself. Right?)

Okay, enough now. The damn Yankees are coming on. As they say in the Lingerie Department, "Nightie, nightie!" (Have I done that joke before?)

[Andy MacAskill]

So you must be a fan of the "dark" Batman. I won't use the word, but I recall a Wall Street Journal piece from the late 80s where . . . Batman purists . . . were none too happy about Keaton getting the part. Burton, however, chose Mr. K from his performance in "Beetlejuice" (which I still haven't seen), said the article.

In any event, I think I said the Batman legend is a story that well lends itself to a dark theme. Is there a particular "graphic novel" you recommend? Was there one called "The Dark Knight"? I recall a series of comics in the 70s (or late 60s) about a Batman villain known as Man-Bat: somewhat on the terrifying side!

And, yes, I thought those things were called "melodramas." I just wasn't sure if that term encompassed more. The guy I saw as "the Bad Guy" in some production of one of those old-fashioned "melodramas" in Michigan's Upper Peninsula in 1977 stole the show by playing his part to the hilt, absolutely wonderful.

Post by Bill
MacAskill: << . . .Batmaniacs probably won't appreciate a fun, campy
musical about their hero >>
................
Please don't use that word.
.................
<< Did you ever see performed one of those plays with a Snidely Whiplash
villain, dressed all in black with stovepipe hat and moustache, and the
audience encouraged to boo him every time he enters and the character
reacting and jeering back at them?
................
Generally called "melodramas."
...............
<< (Conversely, the handsome hero, dressed in white, gets cheered every
time he enters.) I don't know if this would work for a Batman play, but
when done well those silly things are rather fun. >>
................
It would not work. The Batman mythos is operatic. Tim Burton (who will
be directing the Sweeney Todd musical film) almost got it right, in
parts.

[Bill]

MacAskill: << Is there a particular "graphic novel" you recommend? Was
there one called "The Dark Knight"? I recall a series of comics in the
70s (or late 60s) about a Batman villain known as Man-Bat: somewhat on
the terrifying side! >>
...............
First, why do you put the term graphic novel in quotes?

Second, yes: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, and The Killing
Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland, are the best. The first is an
out-of-continuity, slightly futuristic take on the myth, but one that
solidly and forever cemented his character. The latter is in continuity,
and is a terrifying trip into the mind of The Joker.

Man-Bat is still around, currently in a mini-series of his own.

Bill

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Bill
MacAskill: << Is there a particular "graphic novel" you recommend? Was
there one called "The Dark Knight"? I recall a series of comics in the
70s (or late 60s) about a Batman villain known as Man-Bat: somewhat on
the terrifying side! >>
...............
First, why do you put the term graphic novel in quotes?

I don't know. Maybe because I have yet to use the term in conversation.

Those things are somewhat on the expensive side, no? Tho' I did get one on the Flash recently for about ten bucks. (And it was hardcover.)

Post by Bill
Second, yes: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, and The Killing
Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland, are the best. The first is an
out-of-continuity, slightly futuristic take on the myth, but one that
solidly and forever cemented his character. The latter is in continuity,
and is a terrifying trip into the mind of The Joker.

Do you know the name Peter David? He writes novels about superheroes, tho' I believe those are all non-graphic. He used my name in one of his Star Trek novels, he and I having appeared together in a production of "1776" with the fact of our friendship memorialized by someone here: http://www.geocities.com/therinofandor/Evenmore.html. Peter made me an "Andorian," I mean Andorian. How cool is that?!

[Bill]

<< Do you know the name Peter David? He writes novels about superheroes,
tho' I believe those are all non-graphic. >>
..........
Yes, of course. He's a long-time comics writer, for DC, Marvel and
others. He's had numerous long runs on a number of popular titles --
Incredible Hulk, Supergirl, Young Justice, and many more. (A graphic
novel is simply a long-form comic book, usally over 48 pages. If it's
only words, it's just a novel.)

I was aware of his naming his fellow actors in that novel because I was
a regular reader of his weekly column in the Comics Buyer's Guide.
Another comic artist/writer who has tread the boards: George Perez, who
about 15 years or so ago played the title role in a community theatre
production of LI'L ABNER (I think in Florida, if memory serves).

Graphic novels can be purchased at discount rates at Amazon.com and
numerous inline comic sellers. Many libraries are carrying the now,
also.

Bill

[Andy MacAskill]

I forgot to mention: "The Man Behind the Red Hood." I know who it was.

Interesting that the 1989 picture employed elements from that story.

Post by Bill
MacAskill: << Is there a particular "graphic novel" you recommend? Was
there one called "The Dark Knight"? I recall a series of comics in the
70s (or late 60s) about a Batman villain known as Man-Bat: somewhat on
the terrifying side! >>
...............
First, why do you put the term graphic novel in quotes?
Second, yes: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, and The Killing
Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland, are the best. The first is an
out-of-continuity, slightly futuristic take on the myth, but one that
solidly and forever cemented his character. The latter is in continuity,
and is a terrifying trip into the mind of The Joker.
Man-Bat is still around, currently in a mini-series of his own.
Bill

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by Bill
MacAskill: << . . . darkness appearing to be the latest rage in
Batmania? >>
...........
Only if you consider the past 25 years or so "latest."

Yeah, the Keaton movie was 1989, wasn't it? Seems like yesterday.

[Newport]

I like Michael Keaton about as much as I like Dean Martin.

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Yeah, I've never been much impressed with Keaton. He was better doing comedy IMHO.

I think we've agreed to disagree about Dino.

Post by Newport
I like Michael Keaton about as much as I like Dean Martin.

[Bill]

<< Yeah, the Keaton movie was 1989, wasn't it? Seems like yesterday. >>
...........
The "darkness" started long before that movie.

Bill

[Andy MacAskill]

Yes, you said 25 years. That takes us to 1981. Is this when Robin became (what?) "Nightwing" (something like that?) or did that come later?

The darkness surely did not originate with Mr. Kane, did it? The Batman creator did, after all, live long enough to see the Keaton Batman.

Some other fellow on this ng well-versed in DC Comics indicated he was going to research a story I recall published in one of the Superman comics (late 60s, early 70s; then a reprint) about one Angus MacAskill, the "Cape Breton Giant" (from the 19th century) entitled "A Real Superman" or something like that. I wonder what happened to that endeavor.

Post by Bill
<< Yeah, the Keaton movie was 1989, wasn't it? Seems like yesterday. >>
...........
The "darkness" started long before that movie.
Bill

[Newport]

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The "darkness" started long before that 1989 movie.
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The "darkness" started long before that 1989 movie.
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[Newport]

From: ***@NOSPAMoptonline.net (Andy=A0MacAskill) a "dark" musical
(darkness appearing to be the latest rage in Batmania)?
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I'm bored shitless with dark musicals.

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Andy MacAskill wrote:Comics musicals.

Post by Andy MacAskill
There was "Li'l' Abner," of course (by those guys who also did the far superior "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers").
There was "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown."
And there was "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!"
What others?

A little show called Annie did pretty well for itself.

Army Archerd broke the news of the upcoming Dennis the Menace musical
five years ago (!)


By "far superior" 7 Brides for 7 Brothers, I assume you mean "far
superior, as a film, to Li'l' Abner." But if we're talking about the
work of songwriters Johnny Mercer and Gene DePaul, the score to their
stage musical, Lil Abner, far outshines 7 Brides: everybody remembers
that barn-raising dance; few ever sing the songs.

But Lil Abner contains a plethora of comedy songs that are still very
funny, fifty years after they were written, and warm ballads (Namely
You, Love In a Home) that engender genuine feeling for characters that
started out as, well, comic book characters.


http://musicalwriters.com/musicals/composers/composers-a-z.htm

[Newport]

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"Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" --everybody remembers that
barn-raising dance; few ever sing the songs.
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I sing them.
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My least favorite song from the score.

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Post by N***@aol.com
Andy MacAskill wrote:Comics musicals.

Post by Andy MacAskill
There was "Li'l' Abner," of course (by those guys who also did the far superior "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers").
There was "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown."
And there was "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!"
What others?

A little show called Annie did pretty well for itself.

Ah. Of course. I've only appeared in local productions of that one three times.

And then, by extension, we should include "Daddy Warbucks," about which I know nothing but that it was a sequel to "Annie."

Post by N***@aol.com
Army Archerd broke the news of the upcoming Dennis the Menace musical
five years ago (!)

Five years ago. Well, if it happens, such might be characterized as young boys' answer to "Annie."

And then eventually Annie and Dennis might be teamed up for yet another musical.

Post by N***@aol.com
By "far superior" 7 Brides for 7 Brothers, I assume you mean "far
superior, as a film, to Li'l' Abner." But if we're talking about the
work of songwriters Johnny Mercer and Gene DePaul, the score to their
stage musical, Lil Abner, far outshines 7 Brides: everybody remembers
that barn-raising dance; few ever sing the songs.

I remember them all, and they are all eminently hummable.

How about the song "Sobbin' Women" as a "transportation song," the "transportation" here being kidnapping!

Post by N***@aol.com
But Lil Abner contains a plethora of comedy songs that are still very
funny, fifty years after they were written, and warm ballads (Namely
You, Love In a Home) that engender genuine feeling for characters that
started out as, well, comic book characters.

I saw a production of Lil Abner a few yars ago, and it nearly put me to sleep.

But one might characterize Seven Brides as an "audience movie" (like The Sound of Music) with Lil Abner preferred by you cultural-elite types.

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Post by N***@aol.com
Andy MacAskill wrote:Comics musicals.

Post by Andy MacAskill
There was "Li'l' Abner," of course (by those guys who also did the far superior "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers").
There was "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown."
And there was "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!"
What others?

A little show called Annie did pretty well for itself.

Ah. Of course. I've only appeared in local productions of that one three times.
And then, by extension, we should include "Daddy Warbucks," about which I know nothing but that it was a sequel to "Annie."

It was called "Annie Warbucks", not "Daddy Warbucks". It played
Off-Broadway, because they couldn't raise the money for a Broadway
production. It was heavily rewritten from an earlier version that
played a disastrous pre-Broadway tryout (and folded on the road) in
Washington DC under the title "Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge". Donna
McKechnie had a supporting role in the Off-Broadway production.

Stephen

[Newport]

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It was called "Annie Warbucks". It played Off-Broadway, because they
couldn't raise the money for a Broadway production. It was heavily
rewritten from an earlier version that played a disastrous pre-Broadway
tryout (and folded on the road) in Washington DC under the title "Annie
2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge".
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And, IIRC, AW closed in the middle of the week! Throughout the off-B'way
run they kept hoping/trying to move. Then, again IIRC, there was some
Tony ruling that limited moving time--- which meant, even if they'd made
the move, they would not have been Tony elegible.

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we should include "Daddy Warbucks," about which I know nothing but that
it was a sequel to "Annie."
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ANNIE WARBUCKS: off-Broadway with Donna McKechnie and Harve Presnell,
singing gloriously as usual. Pre- Broadway it was ANNIE II, with Dorothy
Loudon.

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we should include "Daddy Warbucks," about which I know nothing but that
it was a sequel to "Annie."
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ANNIE WARBUCKS: off-Broadway with Donna McKechnie and Harve Presnell,
singing gloriously as usual. Pre- Broadway it was ANNIE II, with Dorothy
Loudon.

"Annie Warbucks." I stand corrected. But names like Donna McKechnie and
Harve Presnell OFF-Broadway? I'm impressed.

[Stephen Farrow]

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Post by Andy MacAskill
Warbucks," about which I know nothing but that
it was a sequel to "Annie." ----------------------------------
ANNIE WARBUCKS: off-Broadway with Donna McKechnie and Harve Presnell,
singing gloriously as usual. Pre- Broadway it was ANNIE II, with Dorothy
Loudon.

"Annie Warbucks." I stand corrected. But names like Donna McKechnie and
Harve Presnell OFF-Broadway? I'm impressed.

Listen to the cast recording. You'll get over being impressed *very*
quickly.

[Newport]

Harve and Donna are the best things about ANNIE WARBUCKS.

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Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.

And actually I was going to offer "I Can Fly" as the name of the song,
but that's the Disney version, no?
Speaking of Disney, the title vehicle in the title song of the Disney
movie "The Gnome-Mobile" ("with the Mary Poppins kids!") was another
favorite classic car: a Rolls-Royce. I don't recall that this movie was
a musical, however.
And I don't know that yet mentioned is another title vehicle from
another title song: CCBB, which, of course, IS a musical.

Post by Andy MacAskill
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine
is related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother
with former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding
to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend
says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as Peter. In
the script, Tink is dying because people don't believe in fairies.
Peter turns to the audience and beseeches it to please applaud so Tink
will know people still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light)
begins to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all
over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!

So that probably was in--dare I guess?--the 70's? And they were still
executing the spot-of-light thing that recently? "Low-tech," as the kids
might say.
That wasn't the musical version, was it?

No, Andy, it was in the late '40's or early '50's, more
properly described as non-tech, though the production values
were always there.

[Andy MacAskill]

And my friend explained today that, yes, the device is used in the musical version as well. (She says she would have seen it in the 50s, but I'm dubious.)

I just would not have guessed that Cloris Leachman was playing a part like that in the 40s or 50s!

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Post by Andy MacAskill

Post by Andy MacAskill

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.

And actually I was going to offer "I Can Fly" as the name of the song,
but that's the Disney version, no?
Speaking of Disney, the title vehicle in the title song of the Disney
movie "The Gnome-Mobile" ("with the Mary Poppins kids!") was another
favorite classic car: a Rolls-Royce. I don't recall that this movie was
a musical, however.
And I don't know that yet mentioned is another title vehicle from
another title song: CCBB, which, of course, IS a musical.

Post by Andy MacAskill
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie? Despite
some cinematic liberties taken, it was worthwhile. A friend of mine
is related to the man (Barrie, not Depp) by way of, IIRC, his mother
with former name Ogilvy.
Another friend recalls seeing, as a little girl, a play version
performed as depicted in the foregoing movie (whatever its name was;
Kate Winslet was in it also) with the kids in the audience applauding
to bring "Tink" (a flashlight?) back to life or some such. My friend
says she injured her hands in so applauding.

I saw the play with Mary Martin and with Cloris Leachman as Peter. In
the script, Tink is dying because people don't believe in fairies.
Peter turns to the audience and beseeches it to please applaud so Tink
will know people still believe. Gradually, Tink (the spot of light)
begins to move a little and then a little more and then bounces all
over the place. Whew! Tink is saved!

So that probably was in--dare I guess?--the 70's? And they were still
executing the spot-of-light thing that recently? "Low-tech," as the kids
might say.
That wasn't the musical version, was it?

No, Andy, it was in the late '40's or early '50's, more
properly described as non-tech, though the production values
were always there.

[Andy G.]

Andy MacAskill wrote:
And they were still

Post by Andy MacAskill
executing the spot-of-light thing that recently? "Low-tech," as the kids
might say.
That wasn't the musical version, was it?

The musical with Cathy Rigby just came to my town in October, and I
think they used a projection of tinkerbell that moved around the stage.

[Newport]

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The musical with Cathy Rigby just came to my town in October
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How long has she been touring this? And how many Hooks has she had?
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The current one is supposed to be the farewell tour, as she is now over
50, and probably is beginning to get motion sickness when she fly's into
the audience during curtain call ;). As for the Hooks question, I've no
idea, but the one we saw was very good. He also played the father as
well, but that might be standard for the show, I'm not incredibly
familiar with it.

[John W. Kennedy]

Post by Andy G.
As for the Hooks question, I've no
idea, but the one we saw was very good. He also played the father as
well, but that might be standard for the show,

It is.

[Newport]

From: ***@netscape.net (Andy=A0G.)
the Hook we saw was very good. He also played the father as well, but
that might be standard for the show
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Post by Andy MacAskill

Has anyone mentioned I'm Flying from Peter Pan? I guess the vehicle
would be either fairy dust or the Foys.

I like it.
Did you see that recent Johnny Depp movie about James Barrie?

Yes, and it was quite dreadful. Some glaring inaccuracies, awful,
stilted dialogue, wooden performances and a painfully cliched take on
its subject matter. As biographical films go, it might actually manage
the near-impossible feat of being worse than "De-Lovely". The fact that
it was nominated for major awards simply indicates that there are a lot
of people in the world with no taste.

Stephen.

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by robert armstrong

Post by Andy MacAskill
Beats Mr. Armstrong's merry-go-round in "I Love
Louisa" from "The Bandwagon."

I include that because the staging of the Broadway revue had the
performers on a merry-go-round, so in that case the entire song was
about a merry-go-round. Transportation? I guess it is. See below.

Well, my remark was tongue-in-cheek. It appears you were going for
"metaphorical" transportation, certainly a valuable contribution.

Post by robert armstrong

Post by Andy MacAskill
The carousel in "The Carousel Waltz" from "Carousel"
would then qualify.

If you count instrumentals, then it makes an interesting point.

Ah, yes, of course. In what state of mind was I? "The Carousel Waltz" is
not a song--until some dweeb sets lyrics to it (for which such dweeb
should then be charged with "music desecration," given a fair trial, and
then hanged). (Remember the Coniffs' "Somewhere My Love"? Are these
people nuts?)

Post by robert armstrong
Remember
how ominously the Waltz reappears in the ballet sequence. The carousel
had disappeared from the story since its first scene, yet returns here
to show that the family's problems had all come 'round again sixteen
years later.

Circles and rivers: The most prevalent of literary symbols pre-DaVinci Code.

Post by robert armstrong
I think the circular motion of the carousel is also a Shakespearean
reference to a woman. As, some believe, the O in Hamlet's Ophelia
represents her voicelessness in the Danish court's social and political
structure, and her inability to affect change, except by expressing that
nothingness in insanity and death, conditions which certainly do get the
play moving again after ten months of inaction on Ham's part (only one
of many theories, however). Another example would be Imogen (in the play
Cymbeline), who is wronged when a bracelet (circle) stolen from her
bedroom is used as evidence to compromise her sexually. She responds by
absenting herself and appearing dead until everyone's good and sorry. In
the meantime her "death" of silence leads to the discovery of her two
missing brothers, also presumed dead, who are therefore brought back
from death with her.

Looks like I have some reading to do.

And so you mean you don't subscribe to the DVC's chalice-woman (V) &
blade-man (^) theories?! I'm nonplussed.

Post by robert armstrong
Julie in Carousel/Liliom appears, similarly, to be helpless and
voiceless. I like that comment at the end of the "bench scene" where she
says the blossoms are falling because it's "just their time." Julie
seldom speaks against Billy's lifestyle or else she gets smacked
offstage (He hits her, y'know), yet that helplessnes shames Billy and
reminds him of his own inability to affect change -- threatens him with
a realization of a feminine side to his own identity (similar to a
theory about Hamlet's cruelty toward Ophelia). Ultimately Julie's
helplessness is what does affect a redirection of the plot when she
becomes pregnant, expressing that voicelessness through the womb, the
part of a woman which the circle supposedly represents.
So, well, yeah, the carousel is an important symbol of motion and
action, even though placed against the irony that the characters are not
moving, or else are returning to where they started.
Definitely one for my "I think I'm reading too much into this" file.

Interesting stuff tho'. (And now I do have a solid basis for
characterizing this ng as the most erudite of newsgroups.) I'll send
your post to my dad. Carousel's his favorite musical. I don't know that
he's up to speed with things Shakespearean (in which case he'll have
to--dare I say it?--"Brush up his Shakespeare"), but now is as good a
time as any to find out.

That womb thing also brings to mind The DaVinci Code.

But, as I've long said, give me The Adventures of Tom Sawyer to The
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn any day. The former (like Treasure
Island, which I started rereading again--perfect for the beach) is
wonderful, rip-roaring entertainment. The latter is bogged down with
symbolism (you know, like that river), themes, imagery, etc.--stuff I
don't want to just pretend I understand.

[Andy MacAskill]

Post by robert armstrong

Post by Andy MacAskill
Beats Mr. Armstrong's merry-go-round in "I Love
Louisa" from "The Bandwagon."

I include that because the staging of the Broadway revue had the
performers on a merry-go-round, so in that case the entire song was
about a merry-go-round. Transportation? I guess it is. See below.

Post by Andy MacAskill
The carousel in "The Carousel Waltz" from "Carousel"
would then qualify.

If you count instrumentals, then it makes an interesting point. Remember
how ominously the Waltz reappears in the ballet sequence. The carousel
had disappeared from the story since its first scene, yet returns here
to show that the family's problems had all come 'round again sixteen
years later.
I think the circular motion of the carousel is also a Shakespearean
reference to a woman. As, some believe, the O in Hamlet's Ophelia
represents her voicelessness in the Danish court's social and political
structure, and her inability to affect change, except by expressing that
nothingness in insanity and death, conditions which certainly do get the
play moving again after ten months of inaction on Ham's part (only one
of many theories, however). Another example would be Imogen (in the play
Cymbeline), who is wronged when a bracelet (circle) stolen from her
bedroom is used as evidence to compromise her sexually. She responds by
absenting herself and appearing dead until everyone's good and sorry. In
the meantime her "death" of silence leads to the discovery of her two
missing brothers, also presumed dead, who are therefore brought back
from death with her.
Julie in Carousel/Liliom appears, similarly, to be helpless and
voiceless. I like that comment at the end of the "bench scene" where she
says the blossoms are falling because it's "just their time." Julie
seldom speaks against Billy's lifestyle or else she gets smacked
offstage (He hits her, y'know), yet that helplessnes shames Billy and
reminds him of his own inability to affect change -- threatens him with
a realization of a feminine side to his own identity (similar to a
theory about Hamlet's cruelty toward Ophelia). Ultimately Julie's
helplessness is what does affect a redirection of the plot when she
becomes pregnant, expressing that voicelessness through the womb, the
part of a woman which the circle supposedly represents.
So, well, yeah, the carousel is an important symbol of motion and
action, even though placed against the irony that the characters are not
moving, or else are returning to where they started.
Definitely one for my "I think I'm reading too much into this" file.
Bob A
"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

What follows are my dad's thoughts on your take. Just a couple of notes:
He appears to mistakenly think pointing out the Carousel symbolism was
my doing; interestingly, he uses "my" word "erudite"; he continues the
dated convention of putting two spaces after periods and colons; and I
think he's mistaken that Joseph came before JCS, no?

*** quote on ***

Calling the merry-go-round a mode of transportation is a stretch. It
transports you nowhere.

However it is rightfully a symbol for going around in circles, and your
discussion of the various circular symbol accompanying a
characterization of going nowhere, or getting nowhere was interesting.
The phrase "going in circles" comes to mind for a character, such as
Ophelia, striving to make an impact on someone or some problem. I don't
usually look for symbolism accompanying a character in a play, but I
know people do. So no erudite thoughts come to mind, other than the
symbolism you point out is interesting.

I do look for trains of style in the musicals. This because I observed
the social statements that are found in Hammersteins musicals, from Show
Boat to Oklahoma, South Pacific. Practically all Hammerstein's musicals
had some social statement.

Now comes Tim Rice. He was first heard in Joseph and the Technicolor
Dreamcoat, which humanizes an old testament story and makes it more
meaningful. Same with Jesus Christ Superstar, a new testament story
from Judas Iscariot's point of view. Evita was quite an elaboration on
the Eva Peron phenomena, more a story of an infamous person, rather than
an admirable person. On Sunday, July 2, we saw Elton John and Tim
Rice's version of Aida, which beefs up the story of Aida and Amneris,
typically portrayed flatly in the opera as "good" and "bad" in Verdi's
opera. Tim Rice portrays the two more humanly: Aida is still good, but
human with all the failings that can go with it; Amneris becomes a more
sympathetic character, spurned by Radames, who falls in love with Aida.
The upshot is that the experience helps Amneris, initially the spoiled
princess of the pharoah king, grow up and, instead of becoming Radames
consort (as he would have become the sucessor pharoah king), she will
become a much wiser pharoah queen. The whole point is the train of
substance in Tim Rice's lyrics and book. Andrew Lloyd Weber's musicals
became fluff after Tim Rice parted.

*** quote off ***

So some fodder for further discussions certainly. And, I must add,
consider yourself honored, Mr. A: The foregoing is the most loquacious
I've ever known my dad to be--particularly in an e-mail!

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Post by Andy MacAskill
He appears to mistakenly think pointing out the Carousel symbolism was
my doing; interestingly, he uses "my" word "erudite"; he continues the
dated convention of putting two spaces after periods and colons; and I
think he's mistaken that Joseph came before JCS, no?

No.

Stephen